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Earl, Eric, I don’t think you got my point or maybe its a moot point.
As the plasmoid filaments or filament is carrying all of the ions without electrons, they are ready to combine and fuse. With equal charge they would naturally separate to the greatest distance allowed along the fillament. If they are all traveling in the same path they are likely not going to collide and fuse. If you think about it like a car crash up figure 8 track the ions must travel through the center which would put more of them on a collision course. If the ions have enough momentum and are properly aligned many could overcome the weak force and join. Otherwise as the plasmoid decays only a few would be able in the last moment of plasmoid existence.

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With that being said.. What is the best model of a plasmoid?
Is it a torroid with multiple filament strands, each individual circuits occurring from the original filament formation?
or one coiled filament strand finally connecting to it’s own tail (one circuit?
Is it a torroid at all?
If it is a torroid, could it be magnetically re shaped within its lifespan.?
This question stems from a mental experiment looking at ion travel in the plasmoid if formed as a torroid.
If thinking of the entire system as an internal 4 stroke combustion engine, 1 suck, 2 squeeze, 3 bang , 4blow.
The fuel is already in the chamber so anything captured in the plasmoid should be able to fuse. 1 is done.
2 an internal engines piston decreases the volume increasing the pressure while heating the charge due to the heat of compression, which I apply to the rundown and pinch creating the plasmoid or getting the fuel mixture ready for ignition. 2 is done.
3 an internal combustion engine uses a spark or direct injection of fuel to burn the fuel mix releasing the energy . without the spark it won’t run. My thought.. If the ions in the plasmoid are circling from inside to outside the torroid in a circle not in contact with one another,… could it be squeezed and reshaped into a twisted hourglass causing the ions to be put on a collision course? Increasing the likelihood of fusing? Even an internal combustion engine can “diesel” without a spark. Which may explain some fusion reactions in fofu 1 .
Still what is the best model?

[willit]

maybe it should be tested to get to Q>1 before bickering about materials science. there are a lot of engineers out there that would fight to be on the project once this milestone is met.

run it till it breaks then make that part stronger. repeat.:cheese:

[willit]

Hey………. I am a republican. unfortunately scientifically uneducated people cannot see the benifit. if you made them realize that the cell phone in their pocket came from research(mostly unfunded by govt) they might see things differently. if they are tied to big oil/coal they will most likely not vote for anything that would jeopardise that position.
all research answers questions but sometimes the wrong questions were asked.
teasing tidbits of information from mother nature is inherently difficult at times.

[willit]

it seems that the ball lightning is a stabilized torroid. understanding this larger brother of a plasmoid would be a good model for manipulating the smaller plasmoid in the dpf. with Aaron’s coil in the back I wonder if having one in the front would help shape the plasmoid to lengthen the lifetime of the plasmoid.

[willit]

looks like Sylhan needs to update their applications list with Power and or Fusion energy research.

[willit]

you the man D! long island? are you ok?:snake:

[willit]

have you checked out http://www.cmwinc.com/tungsten-copper.php#elk100w they seem to have a multitude of alloy materials that could fit your bill. Elkonite material in (your selection) may prove to be an adequate substitute to pure tungsten considering the tungsten is then just electrically connected to a copper plate via press fit. it might fit the budget or lack thereof better also.
if the particles of alloyed material i.e. coarse tungsten granule’s are present the copper could be acid etched back to expose more of the tungsten allowing for a rough microscopic surface of sharp tungsten points within the edge of the ground teeth.
remember to retain your press fit. dissimilar metals all have dissimilar thermal expansion and can shrink or expand over time. once pressed in or chilled and dropped in pin it in place or provide a groove on the outside of the ring to provide a modicum of retention should it loosen up.

[willit]

one trick that i have used before with a similar situation was to use sheet and laser cut the desired shape then roll the sheet to produce a ring. this might be difficult to roll considering the hardness. maybe 2 or 3 layers of thinner material in layers. about 8 inches x height x thickness
i believe the first is to be the same method that hole saws are manufactured

[willit]

I know how difficult it can be to get exotic metals espically in the desired shape. could you do it in segments? using a different shape with shorter lead times? once again going to the drawing board……:shut:

[willit]

it just seems to me that filament are what you’re after. if my research is correct the first dpf machines used coaxial tubes with both the pins and blade configuration. if this is true it doesn’t make sense that you would have 96 pins all trying to grab a streamer and then distribute evenly to 16 anodes. plasma does what you make it do not what you want it to.

also: when dc tig welding using tungsten for my electrode, I use 2% thoriated tungsten. it seems to have a more stable
arc with the thorium and it starts easier also. i use green 0% thoriated for aluminum and run ac with a high frequency stabilizer during welding. this is what brought me the thought of stabilizing the arc or providing a light streamer to each of the rods which would pre initiate a pathway for each anode. you could even make sure that each streamer was present before firing the shot.

is the inner ring seperate from the anode base plate or integral?

[willit]

another thought on symmetry and fillament formation. limiting the places that fillament formation can take place can lead to stronger and well placed fillaments. along with formation, supplying a rail for fillament travel could help in keeping a fillament attatched to the cathode before rundown.
one or two points to start a fillament using a small flyback transformer supplementary circuit to ensure a well formed streamer and then hit it with the big hammer cap bank………….symmetry.

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i like mine with more color.

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JVarney wrote: Although one may accept that patience is a virtue and progression, with a steady resolve, will occur in incremental steps, the relentless and accelerating onslaught of global warming and climate change and the pathetic measures implimented to arrest it [thru elimination of combustion as a process for energy] means that time for bold action is vanishing fast.

Perhaps, the FFS, with its dedicated and skilled membership, prepared to share in a transparent way, ideas and experimental progress in the various avenues of DPF research, can create a far more rapid progression in technology by deligating certain aspects of a concept to individual teams for experimentation with their laboratory equipment. Further if a new piece of apparatus is required perhaps all the sponsers [of the teams participating in the project] could establish a simple formula for contributing to the cost.

On the assumption that there is an enthusiasm and mutual confidence for such a joint project to be tabled, defined and to be eventually initiated with very specific terms of reference, scope of work and bill of materials applicable to each team’s project component, a contract could be implemented that would [a] commit to an agreed project schedule [by all parties] and commit to a project budget identifying staff costs and required material purchases [for each team]. A project manager would chair progress meetings and coordinate on a daily basis as necessary.

John:
if you have ever initiated a science experiment of your own you might understand how intimate every detail can affect the outcome of what you are trying to achieve. when on a tight budget any mistakes can halt the project and create delays. eric and his team have a good handle and communication about every aspect. having several teams attempting to invent different wheels for the same cart usually ends up having the project going in circles without success.
DPF has been studied for a number of years and some data is available. what lpp is doing is to take it one to two steps further. I appericiate your eagerness for such a technology to become available in the near future and with that I am on your side. however I don’t believe that this is a large corporate entity that has a need for daily progress meetings, chair-people, corporate bureaucracy or a set in stone time-line. as problems are found they are coming up with inventive ways of mitigating them. if you are not directly involved it is difficult at best to help determine a suitable remedy, try telling your wife how to put a distributor cap back on your car while you are at the office and she is on the side of the freeway.
In the process of any science discovery and understanding take time, and when building a device essentially from scratch the process is stretched out further. once the details are known about how much ,how fast, how far ,how hard, how hot, and what influences what, other sciences and engineering will be introduced to determine shapes, materials , assemblies, abilities.
LPP is doing a wonderful job with the resources they have at their avail. IMHO
If you are wanting the progress to accelerate might i suggest a large donation?

[willit]

I believe it to be sad that the USA has taken a stance of watching to see if anyone else can do it before actually making an effort. are we not the ones that stand up first at a challenge and forge ahead? when did we become the benchwarmers of the world?
if we are going to get a fire under our butt it will be at 11:30 with time (resources) dwindling and economic crisis looming.
let the bickering begin and spend everything we have left on programs with no promise or results. there must be a better way. I’m glad people in Pennsylvania have the huevos to move their dream forward. lets find a way to help them out.

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