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[Rezwan]

Brian H wrote:
As for CO2, here’s the deal:
Once the smoke clears from Climategate, and the full extent of the carbon-control hoax is exposed, all the subsidy-grabbing greenie projects will have to be defunded, and many of their scamboni founders and floggers jailed. Then we can begin encouraging maximum CO2 production to help Planet Earth get over its CO2 famine*. A target of returning to the geological average of 1,000-2,000 ppm should be set, which will greatly boost agriculture and food supply.

(FF doesn’t need to hitch its wagon to the diseased CO2-remediation horse. Economics is more than sufficient motive power.)

To the extent AGW assertions can’t be substantiated, neither can yours.

However, as to the bit about FF not needing to hitch its wagon – the history of fusion research funding is very closely tied to panics such as this GW thing represents (Racing Russians for nuclear supremacy, OPEC fears). I can prove it, too. No need to doctor the graph or throw out the “mona loa” data. Steve Chu, is trying to leverage GW for fusion even as we speak.

Your assertions above don’t seem strategic, or useful to the fusion endeavor. And it sounds like you’ve got an inverse consensus thing going. Swallowing the criticisms whole.

Have you put this kind of energy into iraq-gate? Or wall-street-bailout-gate? How many billions, trillions is that?

And these cap and trade scams of which you speak with utter contempt – how egregious are they compared to status quo scams today? Isn’t Wall Street continually coming up with ridiculously pointless economic instruments that keep money in the hands of a few rich people and don’t create jobs or anything for the rest of us? One speculative bubble after another? Why don’t you take on wall street structural issues? This is not a “science” issue, it’s a wall street subsidy mechanism issue. You’d need to change that across the board – not just for the one GW market segment.

Of all the scams, why is this the one that outrages you the most?

It seems you have a disproportionate, passionate and highly emotional response to the green stuff. Such language you use. I get the feeling this is a smoke screen for something. Not sure what. Is your goal really to defund “subsidy-grabbing” green projects (are they greater subsidy-grabbers than our beloved status quo wall street fat cats?) and to jail and flog the project founders?

What I have a problem with is the alienating tone of voice this keeps falling back into. At some point, I will set up a cap and trade policy on our forums re: GWarming-mongering. I think you’ve used up your allotment of comments you can make on this subject.

From Terry Pratchet:

Keep the peace. That was the thing. People often failed to understand what that meant. You’d go to some life-threatening disturbance. Like a couple of neighbors scrapping in the street over who owned the hedge between their properties. And they’d both be bursting with aggrieved self-righteousness, both yelling…and they all expected you to sort it out.

And they could never understand that it wasn’t your job. Sorting it out was a job for a good surveyor and a couple of lawyers, maybe. Your job was to quell the impulse to bang their stupid fat heads together, to ignore the affronted speeches of dodgy self-justification, to get them to stop shouting, and to get them off the street. Once that had been achieved, your job was over…

Of course, if your few strict words didn’t work, and Mr. Smith subsequently clambered over the disputed fence and stabbed Mr. Jones to death with a pair of gardening shears, then you had a different job, sorting out the notorious Hedge-Argument Murder.

Such a froth.