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  • #1632
    AvatarIvy Matt
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    The article is from October 19, but I haven’t seen it posted here. Brian Wang compares eight fusion concepts, seven of which are being researched by private companies. Of the eight, he puts LPP in first place, projecting achievement of net gain in 2017 and commercial availability in 2022. In the comments section sebtal, the local tokamak guy, has the following comment on LPP and privately-funded fusion in general:

    Given the various bubbles, and lost fortunes in VC, does a mere few million dollars mean much? Are investors savvier on the science and engineering than the researchers? Most scientists don’t bother getting into slanging match, but I’ve worked with a well published and respected researcher in DPFs who has no doubt that LPP are on a hiding to nothing; for example.

    It would be nice if a specific criticism were given, rather than just that “it won’t work”.

    #13501
    Avatarvansig
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    As far as i know, the origin of any “it wont work” comments about DPF is the hypothesis that bremsstrahlung radiation would cool the plasma too much.
    LPP has shown this hypothesis to be false.

    #13504
    Avatardelt0r
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    No, it has not been shown to be false. It is hypothesised that with strong magnetic fields there is a mechanism that would suppress bremsstrahlung radiation. It has not been shown that such fields are really present, or that such suppression is happening.

    #13506
    AvatarFrancisl
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    How can that hypothesis be tested?

    #13507
    AvatarIvy Matt
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    I have seen various reasons given for why “it won’t work”. For one thing, it’s my understanding that the prevailing view of the DPF is still that it achieves fusion primarily through the ion beam colliding with colder gas in the vacuum chamber. There are still unknowns, but in this case I think LPP has sufficiently demonstrated that the plasmoid is the primary source of fusion reactions. Losses due to bremsstrahlung (X-radiation produced by high-energy electrons decelerating in the presence of ions) is a reason given for why aneutronic fusion in general will never be an efficient energy source. Eric Lerner has a hypothesis that under certain conditions the DPF can achieve gigagauss magnetic field strengths, greatly reducing energy transfer from the ions to the electrons, in turn reducing bremsstrahlung. See here for Lerner’s argument of why FF-1 [em]will[/em] work.

    Those are the main arguments I’ve seen for why the physics won’t work out. I can’t think of any others off hand. I’ve also seen arguments questioning whether the engineering will work out, especially with regard to conversion of the ion beam or X-rays to electricity, and also the rate of anode erosion.

    Francisl wrote: How can that hypothesis be tested?

    FF-1 needs to be run under the requisite conditions, with hydrogen-boron fuel and smaller, beryllium electrodes. That’s what we’re all waiting for.

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