Black Light Power

[rashidas]

Does anyone have any thougts regarding Black Light Power? Black Light is based on a unique theory of the hydrino form of the hydrogen atom which is contrary to classical quantum mechanics. They have gathered a lot of interest and financial suport for their company: http://www.blacklightpower.com/

[AaronB]

Seems like an interesting project. They have some impressive names on their management team, which gives a favorable impression by association. However, their claim of energy production by sending the hydrogen’s electron to a theoretically impossible level will have to be verified. If it is true, that would be very neat. It would open up new areas of physics and chemistry. On this technology, I’ll just have to wait and see.

[willit]

from what i saw it didn’t make clear whether their powder was a catalist or part of a chemical reaction. neat high temperature rise but the video left more questions than answers for me. the final result was no power production but just heat. this in turn must be distilled using boilers turbines generators ect to produce electricitr. why not just burn the hydrogen with oxygen and call it good.

[Alex Pollard]

Yes Black Light Power is the only other futuristic energy technology that could possibly save the world from a permanent energy crisis and decline. But it depends on “new physics” whereas FF does not. Dr Mills seems to have stumbled upon something real but it is not clear he has a complete theoretical understanding of what he has found. Hence he is probably stabbing in the dark a bit.

[Tasmodevil44]

I already made a comment about blacklight power earlier …… under a different topic about what sort of other fuel impurity you might add to the FF to help it along by dumping more energy into it …… to get it over the so – called ” hump “. I considered all sorts of possibilities that all seemed unworkable, such as injection of fissionable heavy atoms (same basic idea as how the H – Bomb works), or the injection of helium isotope He 3 (too scarce and unobtainable). I also mentioned the blacklight process. I don’t know if anybody ever read it or not. The basic idea / suggestion I posited was that if you could somehow get the blacklight reaction to occur in the Focus Fusion device, it might dump enough additional energy into it to get pB11 going more easily.

But I realize this is all still very speculative like every other thing I’ve considered so far. First of all, we still must determine whether or not there is any merit to the claims Randall Mills makes. Although I’m still very open – minded to the unlimited possibilities, it remains to be seen if such a hydrogen transition to a lower state is possibe considering what is currently known about quantum physics.

In fact, I already sent an E – Mail to Blacklight Power several years ago and suggested to them that the blacklight process in a hot, energetic plasma might work as a catalyst for nuclear fusion. I got no reply back from them.

[Tasmodevil44]

Lerner is highly confident that there is a high probability that p+B11 fusion will eventually achieve ignition with the use of only decaborane by itself.

After exploring various options of some kind of supplemental energy boost …… heavy atom fission, helium 3, duetrium, and the blacklight reaction …… they all seem very unlikely candidates. Even a workable energy assist, if found, may not improve the operation of the FF device that much anyway. It might possibly reduce the electric power requirement for heating the plasma, but that’s about it.

In the past, I also considered the blacklight reaction as a possible supplemental energy assist to help initiate nuclear fusion. I think Randall Mills said that the presence of atoms of calcium and phosphorus in the hydrogen plasma acts as a catalyst for the transition of hydrogen to hydrinos. Lerner might want to try injecting some calcium and/or phosphorus into the DPF just for kicks to see if anything will happen. More than likely, nothing would happen. But who knows if such basic research and shots in the dark might turn – up something. If the calcium and/or phosphorus actually worked to catalyze the hydrogen to hydrino transition, that would be great.

In fact, the presence of atoms with a high atomic number of protons might have the opposite of desired effect by cooling the plasma with too much x – ray emission loss. Especially when the loss is the square of the atomic number. With boron it’s not all too severe (5×5=25), but with larger atomic numbers like calcium or phosphorus it might be much greater.

If indeed the blacklight reaction were to work in assisting fusion, it would have to perform it’s job very quickly …… large numbers of ordinary hydrogen atoms undergoing transition to hydrinos …… dumping enormous energy into the plasma very fast …… say, probably within only 3 or 4 picoseconds or something like that.

I sent an E – mail to Blacklight Power several years ago, and asked them if the blacklight reaction might help to harness the power of fusion. I got no reply back from them.

However, Randall Mills himself could have indeed considered the possibility, because I read on the internet a few years back that he was tinkering around with heavy hydrogen ( deutrium ) in some of his experimentation.

[Alex Pollard]

BlackLight Power say they are close to commercialisation. See their press release dated 08/12/09.

I can’t provide a link because this forum has an issue with posts containing spaces ie “% 20”.

I would be interested to see a full EROEI (Energy Return On Energy Invested) analysis for BlackLight Power and Focus Fusion.

Each has input fuels, which must be refined to some extent, but at what cost compared to the energy output? BLP claims a 200 fold energy return.

There are of course also capital costs in creating reaction chambers, these costs would be amortised over time but what about depreciation costs, as reaction chambers may wear out etc…

One factor with regard to BLP would be the capacity to boil water for steam turbines. Heat engines operate most efficiently at higher temperatures relative to the heat sink (whatever the waste heat is dumped into eg the atmosphere). What is the theoretical maximum temperature that can be obtained in the BLP process? Do the reactants catalyse at high temperatures used in steam turbines eg 600 degrees Celsius?

BLP, if it is for real, has the advantage of potentially being plugged into existing coal-fired steam turbines. Turbines may only be 42% efficient, but big power companies would find this convenient and are probably used to thinking in terms of large-scale projects.

Whereas deployment of multiple FF reactors locally throughout cities would probably be done by the competitors to existing large power distributors and generators.

[texaslabrat]

From the 08/12/09 Press release:

BlackLight says it developed a solid fuel that efficiently liberates hydrinos and then requires very little energy (in the form of heat) to reverse the chemical product back into the initial solid fuel. The system is nearly closed-loop, requiring only the replacement of hydrogen consumed when forming hydrinos, CEO Randell Mills said in a news release.

By that standard, a coal-fired plant is also nearly closed-loop..requiring only the replacement of coal consumed when forming CO2.

I have a feeling Madoff may have a cellmate soon…

[Alex Pollard]

texaslabrat wrote:
I have a feeling Madoff may have a cellmate soon…

Yeah I noticed that but assumed they meant catalyst, not fuel, but then again, what kind of organisation would get something that fundamental wrong? We don’t have all that much information to judge them by, so people will understandably try to read between the lines.

[texaslabrat]

Alex Pollard wrote:

I have a feeling Madoff may have a cellmate soon…

Yeah I noticed that but assumed they meant catalyst, not fuel, but then again, what kind of organisation would get something that fundamental wrong? We don’t have all that much information to judge them by, so people will understandably try to read between the lines.

Unfortunately, we are practically drowning in scams from folks who have claimed to have invented some “new physics model for energy generation” whether it be from hydrinos, nanobacteria that revolutionize pyrolysis of organic matter, or any number of other something-for-nothing energy schemes. When there is a dearth of details in the process and the only “independent” verification is from a carefully selected 3rd party rather than in a peer-reviewed published journal…well, keep a good grip on your wallet.

I really hope I’m wrong about these guys…it would be fantastic if their claims were true. But I’ve seen this movie before…and it usually ends in either a lawsuit or prison time.

[Tasmodevil44]

Like I’ve said in the past, it would be great if the blacklight process could somehow be employed to assist nuclear fusion in helping it get over the difficult “hump”. But first we must still determine whether or not there is any substance to this. Only time will tell. Meanwhile, the world is waiting.

[Martin]

If Lerner succeed with focus fusion, it will be a far more elegant and cheap way of producing electric energy than Black Light Power because focus fusion does not need the steam cycle to generate electricity.

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