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[HermannH]

Brian H wrote:
“…Lawrence Livermore Laboratories … concluded that a doubling of carbon dioxide would have little or no effect on the temperature at the surface and, if anything, might cause the surface to cool.” p.36, http://arxiv.org/pdf/0707.1161v4

AGW is not just wrong, it is an evil hoax.

Interesting use of ellipsis, Brian, you should be a tabloid newspaper editor. You seem to imply that Lawrence Livermore Laboratories investigated the issue and came to the conclusion that AGW is a hoax.

Here is a more complete quote from the paper. They referred to a 1990 movie called the “The Greenhouse Conspiracy” and state:

In the movie these four pillars were dismantled bringing the building down. The speaker states:
“In a recent paper on the effects of carbon dioxide, Professor Ellsaesser of the Lawrence Livermore Laboratories, a major US research establishment in California, concluded that a doubling of carbon dioxide would have little or no effect on the temperature at the surface and, if anything, might cause the surface to cool.”

The Ellsaesser paper was from 1984, apparently the last year he published in a peer reviewed journal. And, of course, he has close ties to ‘think tanks’ that are heavily funded by the oil industry.

Here is one example of a more up to date publication from Lawrence Livermore Laboratories:

Santer’s expertise is in the area of “climate fingerprinting,” which seeks to identify and separate human effects on climate from purely natural climate influences. His presentation will describe how human fingerprints have been detected in many different aspects of the climate system — not only in the temperatures of the land surface, ocean and atmosphere, but also in atmospheric moisture, rainfall and circulation patterns.

Or have a look this IPCC page and search for ‘Lawrence Livermore’: 10 different hits.

Brian, how does this square with your above (mis)representation of their position?
You delight in making forceful and provocative statements about global warming, but why should I or anyone else trust any of it?

Happy New Year!