Cost of Focus Fusion Power Plant

[Brian H]

tcg wrote:
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There is, of course, a big “if” in this, but if it works, the driving force of FF will have to shift from scientists and engineers to salesmen who have a lot of technical savvy. Opportunities will be limited only by imagination.

Indeed! It would be quite a job to try and tot up the processes and projects and needs that are constrained by energy availability and cost. Making power unlimited and dropping its cost by an order of magnitude beggars the description “quantum leap”. It’s a whole different ballgame/world.

[Aeronaut]

TCG, the operating numbers are probably a lot better than I floated as worst case above. They charged the installation and setup engineering fees for each and every core swap. I see the installation as a very minute share of the real pie for the salesmen, much like printers make the money by selling ink. If you can lock PG&E into a 20 year service contract for 1,000 or more reactors, you could price the lot however you wanted in order to get the real prize.

[Breakable]

Aeronaut wrote: TCG, the operating numbers are probably a lot better than I floated as worst case above. They charged the installation and setup engineering fees for each and every core swap. I see the installation as a very minute share of the real pie for the salesmen, much like printers make the money by selling ink. If you can lock PG&E into a 20 year service contract for 1,000 or more reactors, you could price the lot however you wanted in order to get the real prize.

FF could probably use the same method for ramping up the sales.
Sell the printers cheap and the cartridges expensive…

[Aeronaut]

Financing options and potential yield improvements (as the science of manufacturing onions matures) are another set of sales incentives.

[Brian H]

AFAIK, the only thing LPP will be selling is licenses. It will be the manufacturers who will be marketing to power utilities etc. It will probably be as hard for them as selling beer to people dying of thirst! More like bidding wars …

[Aeronaut]

I am planning to mass produce and market these. Hopefully under the Aquarius brand name. Can you say legal monopoly and first-mover advantage?

[Brian H]

Aeronaut wrote: I am planning to mass produce and market these. Hopefully under the Aquarius brand name. Can you say legal monopoly and first-mover advantage?

Legal monopoly will, I hope, be impossible. The whole idea is to have so many sources for the devices that no bottlenecks can occur or be imposed.

[Aeronaut]

First mover has a legal monopoly by default, Brian. By dominating the field, I can enforce reasonable pricing for all parties as opposed to corporate pricing. John D. Rockefeller built Standard Oil on a similar model: to provide high quality fuels at low price to nearly any point on the planet.

[Brian H]

Aeronaut wrote: First mover has a legal monopoly by default, Brian. By dominating the field, I can enforce reasonable pricing for all parties as opposed to corporate pricing. John D. Rockefeller built Standard Oil on a similar model: to provide high quality fuels at low price to nearly any point on the planet.

That’s a de facto monopoly, no legal barriers to anyone else. Considering the world-wide market will be for millions of FFs, no individual firm could ramp up fast enough to monopolize anything.

As for pricing, if there are multiple suppliers, competition will take care of that.

[Aeronaut]

And I’m gearing up to directly and indirectly simultaneously solve America’s unemployment and clean water problems by building millions of cores every year. While you’ve been naysaying, I’ve been identifying and working out workarounds to all manner of possible snags, such as the politics, time lags of traditional financing, and how to make it look like I reached into the ether and magically produced an entire Aquarius manufacturing, sales, service, regulatory, and training network within the space of a year.

Remember, you heard it here first, and you refused to believe. Ain’t my problem.

[Dr_Barnowl]

Aeronaut wrote: Aquarius network

Want to sell a franchise to the UK (say, for oooh, one guinea and 1% of the gross?)

[Aeronaut]

Dr_Barnowl wrote:

Aquarius network

Want to sell a franchise to the UK (say, for oooh, one guinea and 1% of the gross?)

If you’re talking about manufacturing, that’s between you and LPP, Doc. but yes, licensing a number of brands is in my planning. I’m only staking out the US market, where I’m most familiar with the cultures and legal structures. I’m writing the biz plan up as a series of e-books that just happen to revolve around routinely doing the “impossible” so you never run out of monopolies, and will be sure to let you know when it’s ready for review. Ever try to imagine being a trillionaire? All it takes is selling a million FF installations.

[Brian H]

Aeronaut wrote:

Aquarius network

Want to sell a franchise to the UK (say, for oooh, one guinea and 1% of the gross?)

If you’re talking about manufacturing, that’s between you and LPP, Doc. but yes, licensing a number of brands is in my planning. I’m only staking out the US market, where I’m most familiar with the cultures and legal structures. I’m writing the biz plan up as a series of e-books that just happen to revolve around routinely doing the “impossible” so you never run out of monopolies, and will be sure to let you know when it’s ready for review. Ever try to imagine being a trillionaire? All it takes is selling a million FF installations.
If you’re not selling licenses (because LPP owns them) and you’re not manufacturing, then what exactly are you selling?

The time it takes to set up a plant and begin cranking out units, and the time to make a unit, are finite and not trivial. There will be no shortage of suppliers in any market.

[Aeronaut]

Brian, didn’t I tell you that you wouldn’t understand? In order to pull this off, I need to develop a leadership development program rivaling the size and can-do attitude of any branch of the armed forces. By building the organization around 100,000 leaders and several million total employees, you start thinking like Yoda:

“Impossible is nothing”

Almost forgot to mention that US taxes have a lot of incentives for creating jobs of any kind- especially clean energy kinds. There are also tax incentives for putting out of work factories back on the tax rolls.

[Brian H]

Aeronaut wrote: Brian, didn’t I tell you that you wouldn’t understand? In order to pull this off, I need to develop a leadership development program rivaling the size and can-do attitude of any branch of the armed forces. By building the organization around 100,000 leaders and several million total employees, you start thinking like Yoda:

“Impossible is nothing”

Almost forgot to mention that US taxes have a lot of incentives for creating jobs of any kind- especially clean energy kinds. There are also tax incentives for putting out of work factories back on the tax rolls.

Tax incentives require income to apply the credits to. Whence the income? What are you selling, to whom?

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