Reply To: Cap and Trade

[Brian H]

HermannH wrote:
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In the end the question is: do we take our chances and delay action and risk the possibility that 10 to 30 years down the road we find out that GW is real after all? At that point we may have set something in motion that cannot be stopped and our children or grandchildren may also end up with living standards of the 1800’s with population densities to match. That is why I am interested in FF. If it worked it would provide a pain-free way to reduce human CO2 emissions; everybody would be a winner (well except oil and coal companies).

Ah, yes, the infamous “precautionary argument”. The problems with it are immense, but the basic one is that the remedies suggested create miniscule effects even in the “cooked” models used by the IPCC, and the cost in human suffering and lives will be far greater from the solutions than from the purported problem.

Please get some historical perspective. There have been eras in human history when temperatures were several degrees C (which are twice the size of degrees F) warmer than are warned about. They were boom times, when great works of art and architecture were achieved, and food supplies were abundant, and populations rose. Cooling periods were times of shrinkage, disease, and suffering.

They happened naturally, and will continue to do so. Fiddling with CO2 around the edges will achieve nothing except transfer immense amounts of money and power into the hands of those promoting the scam.

As for your “consensus” argument, it is beneath scientific contempt. Science is not a matter of consensus. “Most climatologists” are not engaged in the issues, and have no basis for judging the physics and hydrology and biology which are actual drivers, but are taking the IPCC studies “at their word”. And are VERY cautious about expressing skepticism even when they feel it; it results in severe career consequences.

Sample quotes: Dr. Joanna Simpson, first female meteorology PhD: “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receive any funding, I can speak quite frankly.” Formerly of NASA, author of over 190 studies. Rejects the AGW thesis now.

Dr. Kiminori Itoh, award-winning environmental physical chemist, says global warming fears are “the worst scientific scandal in the history [of modern science] … When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.”

Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden: “Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly [from promoting warming fears] without having their professional careers ruined.”

Climate researcher Dr. Tad Murty, professor of earth sciences, Flinders University: “I started with a firm belief about global warming — until I started working on it myself.”

The “consensus” is an illusion created to try and override dissent and the actual data. (See above: the FUNDAMENTAL climate-altering change predicted by the models–the warming of the upper troposphere over the tropics, the “Hot Spot”–simply never happened, and shows no signs of developing.)

It’s actually all quite outrageous.