Tulse wrote: I’ve been following EESTOR for a while, but at this point I’m somewhat skeptical, as they seem to make a lot of claims without any real product. Perhaps I’m just being cynical, however (I’ve also followed Moller because I want my goddamned flying car already, but that’s also seen years and years without anything concrete).

Moller’s plan is a pipe dream until he actually shows something that fully works. The guy’s been working on it for 40years with little success

Now these guys at least have shown something that works, if not perfectly reliable

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/7828408.stm