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  • #1267
    Lerner
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    Any vacuum engineering experts out there? We are working to improve the way we seal and center the insulator on the anode. We want to make the sealing o-ring, which has a disk shape, smaller, but we don’t know how small the sealing surface can get before we do not have good vacuum sealing. We are looking to get leak rates of no more than a few millitorr per minute. Are there good formulae or rules of thumb for how much surface area of contact under what pressure results in what leak rate?

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    Most o-ring manufactures provide leak data under typical circumstances. Most vacuum applications use o-rings with a material diameter (minor diameter of toroid shaped o-rings) of 1/16″ to 1/4″ but they can be smaller and larger. The choice of minor diameter depends on mechanical tolerances and how well you adhered to standard o-ring groove rules. Again, manufacturers typically provide those rules for their o-rings in both circular and rectangular cross section. In most cases you can design o-ring systems that fully compress so they have zero space between the two pieces. Using an 1/8″ minor diameter o-ring with a 2″ major diameter (again toroidal geometry), I’ve completed experiments holding hydrogen at 5 Torr for 8-10 hours with a pressure change of less than 10 mTorr.

    To make the seal last, I suggest a silicone vacuum grease applied extremely lightly. When done well, a viton o-ring will look like shiny and smooth. The hardness of the o-ring material is also important. I prefer hard o-rings for most applications. Soft o-rings tend not to do well in vacuum situations. Viton is the best choice in my opinion but some people like teflon or other common materials. If you are sealing metal to ceramic take great care to clean both pieces. O-ring sealing to rough ceramics is challenging.

    Another thought that I haven’t tried yet but I intend to try in the next month or so is metal o-rings. Vendors can supply reusable steel o-rings that are completely sealed tubes with extremely thin walls. The o-rings can be coated in silver or tin to improve the seal. They should work wonderfully for situations when plasma or high temperature gas could corrode an o-ring but I have no experience. The ceramic could be coated in a thin ring of silver or tin where the o-ring mounts to improve the seal. Best of luck.

    #11037
    pulser
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    Can you provide existing cross sections and diagrams of what you would like to change?
    There are may trade-offs possible so more info is helpful.

    #11038
    pulser
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    Here is a starting point. http://www.lesker.com/newweb/index.cfm
    They should be able to help with your vacuum needs.

    #11039
    pulser
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    Here is a good reference: http://www.vacuumlab.com/Articles/Gas Loads and O-Rings.pdf

    Also get a good book on vacuum technology: http://www.amazon.com/Users-Guide-Vacuum-Technology/dp/0471270520
    and this is a must have:
    http://www.amazon.com/Building-Scientific-Apparatus-John-Moore/dp/0521878586/ref=pd_sim_b_1

    Still happy to provide guidance. 🙂

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