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http://www.plasmafocus.net/IPFS/Papers/PP1Published APPLAB922021503_1witherratum.pdf
http://www.intimal.edu.my/school/fas/UFLF/Papers/PP3PublishedPPCF 50 (2008) 065012 .pdf
“Generally, as L0 is reduced, Ipeak increases; a is necessarily increased leading [7] to a longer pinch
length zp, hence a bigger Lp. Lowering Lo also results in a shorter rise time, hence a necessary decrease
in z0, reducing La. Thus, from Equation (2), lowering L0 decreases the fraction Ipinch /Ipeak. Secondly,
this situation is compounded by another mechanism. As L0 is reduced, the L-C interaction time of the
capacitor bank reduces while the duration of the current drop increases (see Figure 6, discussed in the
next section) due to an increasing a. This means that as L0 is reduced, the capacitor bank is more and
more coupled to the inductive energy transfer processes with the accompanying induced large voltages
that arise from the radial compression. Looking again at the derivation of Equation (2) from
Equation (1) a nonzero δcap, in this case, of positive value, will act to decrease Ipinch further. The lower
the L0 the more pronounced is this effect.
Summarizing this discussion, the pinch current limitation is not a simple effect, but is a combination
of the two complex effects described above, namely, the interplay of the various inductances involved
in the plasma focus processes abetted by the increasing coupling of Co to the inductive energetic
processes, as L0
is reduced.”
http://www.plasmafocus.net/IPFS/2010 Papers/Energies PP.pdf
Summing up, not even with Poseidon, which has banks of 750KJ and a voltage of 80KV, were capable of achieving more than 1.5MA of current in the pinch. This is real bad since it means a neutron yield one magnitude lower than what is desired for LPPX for an equipment with much higher capacity.
MTd2 wrote:
Summing up, not even with Poseidon, which has banks of 750KJ and a voltage of 80KV, were capable of achieving more than 1.5MA of current in the pinch. This is real bad since it means a neutron yield one magnitude lower than what is desired for LPPX for an equipment with much higher capacity.
The figure of 1.5MA seems close to the Pease-Braginskii limit.
From Robson’s 1989 paper: link.aps.org/doi/10.1103/PhysRevLett.63.2816
The concept of the Pease-Braginskii current in a Z pinch is reexamined in the light of the anomalous resistivity that arises in a plasma when the electron drift velocity is greater than the ion sound speed. Radial profiles of density and current are derived on the assumption that anomalous resistivity will prevent the drift velocity from exceeding the sound speed. The value of the Pease-Braginskii current then depends upon the line density, and may be significantly greater than its classical value.
Basically this give a limit on the current a filament can carry where the radiation pressure outwards balances the pinch force inwards. For deuterium the figure is around 1.6MA. Normally it is assumed other instabilities will break up a filament well before it reaches this limit, but if you can delay their onset, or be fast enough that they haven’t had time to develop, it gives an upper limit due to the radiative effects.
I was wondering, since this figure though is related to the collisionality parameter know as the Coulomb Logarithm, which would be different for pB11. The peak attainable could be lower rather than higher. Although this limit for a single filament – we start with a pair of filaments per cathode. These merge together to eventually form one at the focus. So the total peak current can be higher when there are still many filaments, but as they merge the total current they can carry goes down. When the plasmoid forms, the strong magnetic field effect hypothesized to reduce the bremstrahlung in pB11 could increase the Pease-Braginskii current limit, but this may be too late to get any more energy into the plasmoid.
I guess the question is – Is the magnetic field strong enough by the time the last few filaments merge, to suppress the radiation enough to allow more current? Or is this completely irrelevant and I’m just extrapolating a bit too far.
Actually I think I got that last bit back to front. You need the radiation to stop the filament collapsing. What we want is to maintain several filaments for longer and not let them merge until the last moment. This may be where the injection of angular momentum helps, by getting the filaments spin & twist around each other before coming together. Each one able to carry its full quota of current.
That would indeed be frustrating if those limits really apply. Lee’s and Saw’s work is based on gas pressure of 3.5 torr and a time scale of 0-10 microseconds. It would be interesting to see the computed results if they used the latest figures from the LPP November 11 report showing a gas pressure of 13 torr.
The November 11 report also gives a possible explanation for the change in resistance.
November 11 report
jamesr wrote: Basically this give a limit on the current a filament can carry where the radiation pressure outwards balances the pinch force inwards. For deuterium the figure is around 1.6MA.
According to Sing Lee, this limit is due the impedance of the contracting plasma not due radiation pressure.
It can be overcome by increasing the voltage between the cathodes to high values, like above 90KV:
http://www.plasmafocus.net/IPFS/2010 Papers/2010 Pp2 IJER.doc
The Las Vegas DPF can do that:
https://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/july_switch_update/
Unfortunately, LPPX cannot…
MTd2 wrote:
Basically this give a limit on the current a filament can carry where the radiation pressure outwards balances the pinch force inwards. For deuterium the figure is around 1.6MA.
According to Sing Lee, this limit is due the impedance of the contracting plasma not due radiation pressure.
It can be overcome by increasing the voltage between the cathodes to high values, like above 90KV:
http://www.plasmafocus.net/IPFS/2010 Papers/2010 Pp2 IJER.doc
The Las Vegas DPF can do that:
https://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/july_switch_update/
Unfortunately, LPPX cannot…
The 1.6MA figure is a generic limit for a single current carrying filament of plasma (a Z-pinch) regardless of its size or origin.
The particular geometrical & electrical arrangement of a DPF is the topic of Sing Lee’s paper. The Pease-Braginskii current is not a hard limit, in that is cannot be exceeded. It is just that if the current is higher than the critical value for that fill gas, the filament will be unstable and begin to collapse because the pressure is no longer balanced.
We need to start compiling this kind of discussion into a “ReNeW” document for the DPF, if there isn’t one out there already.
Rezwan wrote: We need to start compiling this kind of discussion into a “ReNeW” document for the DPF, if there isn’t one out there already.
… “ReNeW” document?
Has anyone tried using the Lee model code to see how it compares with the LPPX machine? Lee model code
This is the most recent paper that I found based on the Lee model code. Lee and Saw talk more about the potential roadblock that is discussed in the above messages.
http://www.plasmafocus.net/ IPFS 2010 Papers, Paper #11, The Plasma Focus- Trending into the Future.
jamesr wrote: The 1.6MA figure is a generic limit for a single current carrying filament of plasma (a Z-pinch) regardless of its size or origin.
The particular geometrical & electrical arrangement of a DPF is the topic of Sing Lee’s paper. The Pease-Braginskii current is not a hard limit, in that is cannot be exceeded. It is just that if the current is higher than the critical value for that fill gas, the filament will be unstable and begin to collapse because the pressure is no longer balanced.
I don`t think so if I read Sing Lee`s papers. The saturation effect is a new one found in the end of 2007. Here:
“In the last 3 months of 2007 numerical experiments using the code found a new effect, the plasma focus pinch current limitation effect.”
http://www.plasmafocus.net/IPFS/Papers/IWPCAkeynote2ResultsofInternet-basedWorkshop.doc (Introduction)
According to Sing Lee, it is a general fact, and it is common to all kinds of configuration of DPF devices:
“Note that this is a general result and is independent of the actual processes involved. In the case of the plasma focus axial phase, the motion of the current sheet imparts power to the shock wave structure with consequential shock heating, Joule heating, ionization, radiation etc.”
http://www.plasmafocus.net/IPFS/Papers/09PP8APL.pdf (page 2)
And the only way to counter it is by moving to higher and higher voltages:
“If we operate a range of such high voltage machines at a fixed high voltage, say 300 kV, with ever larger E0 until the surge impedance becomes negligible due to the very large value of C0. then the saturation effect would still be there, but the level of saturation would be proportional to the voltage. In this way we can go far above presently observed levels of neutron saturation; moving the research, as it were into presently beyond-saturation regimes.”
http://www.plasmafocus.net/IPFS/Papers/09PP8APL.pdf (page 3)
It doesn`t seem LPPX is free from that unless it raises the cathode`s voltage. If Lee`s mode is used for LPPX, it will show a saturation effect….
It makes sense that if the pinch current has squeezed the plasma to a dense solid plasmoid then it would take much higher levels of energy to squeeze that plasmoid even harder. The question is at what point has the plasmoid been squeezed enough to produce economical fusion? I guess the neutron yield in Lee’s model should answer that question.
There is some literature about using stepped currents. Could LPPX use their present capacitors to compress the plasma and a higher voltage capacitor for the final pinch?
Francisl wrote: The question is at what point has the plasmoid been squeezed enough to produce economical fusion?
No, it hasn`t. Lee`s model predicts that the DPF device cannot give away enough energy since the current saturates.
If moving to higher voltages is the answer and if neutrons are the indicator of fusion energy, then it should be possible to use Lee’s model to determine what voltage should produce a breakeven level of neutrons.
For the purpose of LPPX, that is 300J for peak D-D reaction, following the figure 8 of
http://www.plasmafocus.net/IPFS/2010 Papers/2010 Pp2 IJER.doc
the LPPX device should have the following specs:
around 600KJ per shot, or 60KJ-100KJ IF the Goldilocks point is found, with the usual 3MA(0.3-0.5MA) in the pinch, but 9MA(0.9M-1.5MA) discharged by the banks. But the voltage should be increased to 90KV. That would be a great thing since if things scale well to Boron given that a net positive energy could be obtained even with down to 50% of efficiency.
At 50KJ, the best LPPX can achieve right now, would require 150MJ per shot to achieve the objectives…
BTW, the best LPPX can achieve right now is less than 10Joules, even with Goldilocks point found…