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  • #8715
    AvatarIvy Matt
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    I recognized the similarity to a gatling gun, but I’m afraid I don’t see the crescent. And most star and crescent flags have the star beside the crescent rather than above it. Lots of flags have stars, although I thought the eight-pointed star was a better representation of fusion or the plasma sheath than the common five-pointed star. If the motto is too defiant, I suppose I could have used the more ambiguous “come and get them”, which sounds more like an offer to get your own focus fusion device, although it is also a direct translation of Leonidas’ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ. Er…no offense intended, Rezwan. :red: I suppose the “Come And Take It” flag may not appeal to Mexicans for similar reasons.

    Anyway, I just liked the idea of the focus fusion device as the ultimate symbol of independence and self-sufficiency, something that might appeal to card-carrying members of the National Reactor Association. 😉

    #8716
    AvatarRezwan
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    I’m sure there’s a great section of the population that will find all of it appealing. Turn it into a sign and bring it on down to the Rally! We’re going to road test these signs. Best to have a variety.

    Father and son looking over the land, immigrants in the distance: “Some day, son, all this will be theirs.” (Seen first in a cartoon w/ Native folk looking out over pristine lands, Euro settlers in the distance).

    Oh, THAT Leonidas.

    NRA. Funny.

    #8717
    AvatarBrian H
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    Ivy Matt wrote: I’m not sure I’m a fan of the Unilateral Disarmament symbol. 😉

    (Or the Nazi “life” rune; although in the Elder Futhark, the only meaning it had was the letter “z” [later r], and possibly “elk”. In the Younger Futhark it meant the letter “m” and “man”, which may be where the Nazis got the “life” meaning. In the Younger Futhark the “peace-symbol” rune meant “yew”. I’m not sure what that has to do with death; probably the Nazis chose it only because it was the “man”–>”life” rune upside down.)

    Anyway, I decided to try my hand at a design that ought to appeal to an audience complementary to those who find the peace symbol design appealing. I’m not sure exactly what it’s saying, though: perhaps that the right of communities, families, and individuals to own a focus fusion device shall not be infringed. It may also be a gesture of defiance against corporate or government entities that feel threatened by the development of DPF fusion technology. Of course, it’s also somewhat ironic, because the DPF can’t be used as a weapon…can it?

    Shorter anode, with lightning bolt exiting from it? :cheese:

    And you should definitely promote the idea of a National Reactor Association! Probably get sued by the National Rifle Association, which will provide excellent free publicity.

    Those ancients had a way with words, didn’t they? “Come and get them!” is so much more eloquent than the WWII equivalent, “Nuts!” :-S 😉

    #8719
    AvatarIvy Matt
    Participant

    I don’t know how welcome a Battle of Gonzales style sign or flag would be at the Rally to Restore Sanity, but I’m game to find out. Only problem is, I’m halfway across the country and have no means to get to the capital. Do you think the SEIU would bus me over there? Even though I’m not a member of the SEIU? Only trouble is, never having been to D.C., I’d be sorely tempted to take a side trip to the National Air & Space Museum and the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center.

    I wouldn’t exactly consider getting sued by the National Rifle Association free publicity. Anyone who does is welcome to the “National Reactor Association” trademark. 😉

    #8723
    Avatarzapkitty
    Member

    Hmmm… add a couple of offset helix projections to a previous project, curve to emphasize central vortex, loft, add lower case text ala a certain dairy product campaign… but with a forward-looking verb emphasis… more dynamic, y’think?

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    #8725
    AvatarAeronaut
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    zapkitty wrote: Hmmm… add a couple of offset helix projections to a previous project, curve to emphasize central vortex, loft, add lower case text ala a certain dairy product campaign… but with a forward-looking verb emphasis… more dynamic, y’think?

    Looks sharp. It could also say “beyond petroleum” 😆

    #8727
    AvatarBrian H
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    Yes; if you know the basics of FF, the image is evocative. It’s tough to also communicate something to those who are unaware of its details, though.
    For an ad, including an “imperative sentence” (order or demand) like “Get Fusion” makes sense. Maybe not so much on a logo.

    #8729
    AvatarRezwan
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    zapkitty wrote: Hmmm… add a couple of offset helix projections to a previous project, curve to emphasize central vortex, loft, add lower case text ala a certain dairy product campaign… but with a forward-looking verb emphasis… more dynamic, y’think?

    That looks great! Do you have a high resolution version we can upload so folks can start sporting it around?

    We’ll add it to the Free Fusion Designs selection (CC, attribution, share alike). The idea now is to go viral with images, encourage a proliferation of them, get people out there talking about them. We’ll try lots of campaigns and images and see which ones are the most effective. Also, spinoffs will occur.

    #8730
    Avatarzapkitty
    Member

    Rezwan wrote:
    That looks great! Do you have a high resolution version we can upload so folks can start sporting it around?

    EDIT: never mind, found a command I didn’t know about. XXXL renders attached

    Rezwan wrote: We’ll add it to the Free Fusion Designs selection (CC, attribution, share alike). The idea now is to go viral with images, encourage a proliferation of them, get people out there talking about them. We’ll try lots of campaigns and images and see which ones are the most effective. Also, spinoffs will occur.

    Formally speaking: … is fine too 🙂

    … for text variations don’t forget

    I can haz fuzion?

    and

    All your baseload are belong to pB&J!

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    focusfusion-logo-pic–B&W-xxxl.zip (343 B) 

    #8741
    AvatarIvy Matt
    Participant

    I like the plasma sheath. Is the curve caused by the axial field coil?

    #8742
    Avatarzapkitty
    Member

    Ivy Matt wrote: I like the plasma sheath. Is the curve caused by the axial field coil?

    Just an old trick for implying 3d in 2d… not so effective if the viewer doesn’t twig to the fact that the filaments arch from the ‘trodes to the center… but still more effective than straight lines.

    #8744
    Avatarzapkitty
    Member

    simple colors and “all your base” riff… does the visual pun work?

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    allyourbase-png.zip (160 B) 

    #8745
    AvatarBrian H
    Member

    Works, yes; make a good ad or poster. But way too undignified for a logo! :cheese:

    #8747
    Avatarzapkitty
    Member

    Brian H wrote: Works, yes; make a good ad or poster. But way too undignified for a logo! :cheese:

    er… thought that was what this was about?

    … either that or fusion-powered gatling guns… 🙂

    The ‘trode array and the words “Focus Fusion” or “Focus Fusion Society” together form my suggestion for an alternate logo.

    The riffing on the “got milk?” and “all your base…” memes and suchlike are promotional ideas for the moment based on that logo.

    If you go back and read my post on the first iteration of this idea (whichever thread that was in 🙂 ) you’ll find that this flexibility was inherent in the concept.

    So, to reiterate, here is the logo suggestion proper in vertical and horizontal formats.

    … and then on to the “I can haz fuzion?” variant… 🙂

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    fflogos-vert&horiz-xxxxl.zip (316 B) 

    #8750
    AvatarJShell
    Member

    Rezwan wrote:

    Father and son looking over the land, immigrants in the distance: “Some day, son, all this will be theirs.” (Seen first in a cartoon w/ Native folk looking out over pristine lands, Euro settlers in the distance).

    yep. sad and true. america as the “chosen nation” is a handy myth to cover over the native american genocide that happened as settlers came with diseases and guns.

    its even more upsetting to realize that america continues to commit a number of unacknowledged crimes against First Nations peoples, who are almost never given a voice on the national stage. For example, mining uranium in the 70’s and 80’s was seen as an issue of national security for the nuclear arms race, so it was done without the consent of those who were living on or near potential mine sites. Thus, the US managed to pollute air and water near a number of southwestern mine sites. Many of the rivers and groundwater sources were never cleaned up, and are still contaminated. Black Water Mesa Coalition is one group opposed to water contamination by a coal mine that is “slurrying” its coal and using a ton of water in the process. But, without substantial funds for expensive lawyers, indigenous voices often get ignored. Besides, its cheaper to slurry coal than to put the dry stuff on a train.

    I hope this expresses some of my anger at King Coal, and my desire for FF as a way to replace it. Many folks in W Virginia are afraid to even look at the possibility of water contamination, because it means that their coal mining jobs would be at risk.

    Also, if a politician formally apologized for genocide might mean that people start to expect some sort of restitution. Obama at least settled a number of native american cases that Bush would rather have dismissed without trial.

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