50 years… hmm
Posted: 29 August 2006 11:55 AM   [ Ignore ]
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After doing a lot of reading on fusion on the net, I keep running into a number: 50 years. I first found it as the estimate of time the team of people working on ITER estimated for a tokamak to become a fully operational energy-producing reactor. (That will help with global warming and the looming oil crisis.) Looking for a better answer, I went to Sandia National Laboratory hoping for a better answer about the Z-Pinch, but there was the same number, 50 years.

Why so long? I hate to get political, but these things aren’t just research projects, they are pretty vital for the worlds political stability, humanity’s economic viability, and the Earths ecological sustainability. This round 50-year target sounds like a safe number to tell political leaders who made their fortunes in oil that their future wealth will be safe from these projects. Is this number a real goal, or something that had to be said to keep the public funds from drying up?

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Posted: 29 August 2006 03:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Yes, 50 does seem like a conveniently rounded number that coincides with the “end of oil”.  But ITER does have a more specific timeline.  Links to that from this article on our site:  http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/fusion_now/#bar 

Actually, here is a direct link to the timeline image on the ITER site:  http://www.iter.org/gifs2/long-terms.jpg

We need to make a nice color coded chart like that for Focus Fusion grin

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Posted: 24 October 2006 10:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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The timeline 50-year to working fusion is old.
During the 1970-tis time was also 50 year.
This timeline seems to be a constant.

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Posted: 25 October 2006 01:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Posted: 31 October 2007 07:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Using a 50 year timeline effectively removes the researcher
from every having to produce anything workable in his
lifetime.  He will be retired and living on his pension
before anyone realizes he never actually acomplished
anything.

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Posted: 31 October 2007 07:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Using a 50 year timeline effectively removes the researcher
from every having to produce anything workable in his
lifetime. He will be retired and living on his pension
before anyone realizes he never actually acomplished
anything.

Matt

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Posted: 03 November 2007 03:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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You cannot dictate innovation.

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Posted: 03 November 2007 05:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Consider this quote by Wilbur Wright:

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Posted: 04 November 2007 01:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Rezwan - 29 August 2006 07:14 PM

Yes, 50 does seem like a conveniently rounded number that coincides with the “end of oil”.  ...

With the price of crude oil due to break $100/bl any day now, $200 and $300/bl in a few years is quite possible.  The end of cheap oil is in site.  There is a larger supply of expensive oil, but it is doubtful that production can keep up with demand at any price.

Economical replacement of oil 50 years from now will be about 45 years too late!

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Posted: 10 November 2007 06:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Peak oil is usually projected in less then 20 years. Back in the 1950’s fusion power was projected to appear in 2000’s, now in the 2000’s it projected about 2050!

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